Clowns & Jokers

Stuck in the middle.... Left, right, centre. It's a mess out there.

Wednesday, November 09, 2005

Well you know what Mr Howard? YOU are alienating ME

Conservative leader Michael Howard warned that the detention plans could 'alienate ethnic minority communities' as they got behind a motion and defeated Mr Blair over the 90 day detention motion today.

The whole office in which im sitting is talking about it. A bunch of people who couldnt care less about politics on a day to day basis cannot quite believe this. Why? Because it directly affects us. How out of touch do you have to be?

Whatever the thoughts on other legislation being put forward on this SINGLE issue MPs have utterly failed in their first duty to you and me. 28 days simply isnt good enough.

I do not CARE for all the glossing and preening in the leadership debate whilst i wait to hear some actual POLICIES.

But this? You couldnt make it up. This is a party that i NEEDED to get its act together.

You go after the muslim and 'minority' vote-at-your-peril, Mr Howard.

Terror laws: How long should suspects be held?
90 days 41%
42 days 6%
28 days 24%
Remain at 14 days 29%
83491 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion (...they dont usually on the BBC what an hilarious disclaimer!)

How long should terror suspects be held?
90 days 63.99% (5,557 votes)
60 days 7.29% (633 votes)
28 days 20.39% (1,771 votes)
14 days 8.31% (722 votes)
Total: 8,683
Expires: 16 Nov 2005


At Thursday, 10 November, 2005, Blogger "Alice" said...

I know that the survivors and the families of the people killed in the July subway/bus bombings must be crushed over this vote. Like someone said, this law would not have been for every Tom, Dick, and Harry who rips a car off or does some other type of crime, it was just for terror acts (period). Of course, if any member of the political family (meaning the MP's and/or their families) had been killed or tried to be killed, the vote would have been to put them under the prison for longer than 90 days.

At Thursday, 10 November, 2005, Blogger Alison said...

Some of the Conservative MPs have experience of terrorism attacks on themselves directly from IRA days. Id be interested to hear how they voted. The idiotic mistake the government made was to highlight how badly you can use this legislation at the Labour conference. However when the need does actually arise to put real terrorists away where does this leave us?

At Thursday, 10 November, 2005, Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...


You know why I'm not a fan of 90 days from our debate over at Tangled Web - and as usual its for a totally different reason to everyone else...if we want justice for the July 7 families how about we look at mass prosecutions amongst the 'communities' that produced their killers. After all if Nick Griffin can go on trial for predicting July 7th I dont see why they cant be targeted for deliberately inciting it!

At Friday, 11 November, 2005, Blogger Alison said...

I agree

At Friday, 11 November, 2005, Blogger Rottweiler Puppy said...

Alison said: "Some of the Conservative MPs have experience of terrorism attacks on themselves directly from IRA days. Id be interested to hear how they voted."

As far as I can gather, only one (*ONE!*) Conservative MP voted with the government on this one. He was Sir Peter Tapsell, Member for Louth and Horncastle. Details here:

Six (I think) didn't vote, but I could be wrong about that last figure.

(Welcome aboard the Jack Idema campaign, btw. Did Cao give you the blogroll code?)

At Monday, 14 November, 2005, Blogger Alison said...


Yes i got the stuff, im trying to figure out how to insert it! But will do shortly. Ill cross post to you until i get all the stuff i need to write my own. I havent had so much time of late to write up some decent meaty posts on various topics of irritation. I think you did a great job on this subject at the Mansions.


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