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Monday, May 01, 2006

Sweden: Islamic Association Demands Special Laws For Muslims

From Western

Mahmoud Aldebe, who is head of the Swedish Muslim Association, (SMF), has written to Sweden's parliamentary parties, demanding special laws for Muslims in Sweden.

Little Green Footballs has covered this already. However the comments section of that blog sometimes infuriate me more than the issue. The usual comment mob load up on 'Europes fucked' euroweenie cliches and rub their hands in glee.

So has Sweden rolled over and died? No. Read the story.

Aldebe is head of the SMF, a CAIR/MCGB equivalent. He sent a letter advocating that imams should be allowed into state schools to give Muslim children separate lessons in Islam and also the languages of their parents' countries. He demanded that swimming lessons in schools should have boys and girls segregated, and also said that in cases of divorce for Muslims, these should be approved by an imam. He also demanded that separate burial grounds be provided for Muslims.

Aldebe's letter was then vehemently dismissed by Jens Orback, Sweden's integration and equality minister, who said:

"We will not have separate laws in Sweden. In Sweden, we are all equal before the law. In Sweden, we have fought for a long time to achieve gender-neutral laws, and to propose that certain groups should not be treated like others is completely unacceptable.."

Orback said he had spoken to representatives of the Swedish Muslim Council who said they did not agree with Aldebe's proposals.

"I think it is very problematic and unfortunate that people who have been in Sweden for so long make proposals such as this that are so opposed to our intentions, when we are fighting for women's rights and the right to divorce."

There are five Islamic organisations in Sweden. Abd al Haqq Kielan (formerly Leif Larsson) converted to Islam thirty years ago, now the chairman of the Swedish Islamic Association, was scathing of Abdele's propositions, calling them "absurd", and suggested they would lead to a "sort of Mullah-rule that people are scared of."


"He is lucky if he speaks for 70 of his members," Keilan said. "If you open the gate for separate laws for different minorities, where will it end? We have to have one law for all citizens. That is so obvious that I don't understand how he can come up with such an idea."

(It was probably born out of that anglo saxon ideal - multi culturalism, Mr Keilan!)

Other Muslims criticised Aldebe's suggestions. Mariam Osman Sherifay, a lawmaker within the ruling Social Democratic Party, said:

"If we are going to live here, we should adapt to the laws that exist - we should not have a separate law just because we have a different faith."

The leader of the Liberal Party, Lars Leijonborg, wrote:

"Sweden has equality between men and women. To introduce exceptions for Muslims so that women can be oppressed with the support of the law is completely unacceptable to me."

There are Europeans standing up and making a difference and they should be celebrated when they do. Of course this shows you how quickly some people pick up on the act to profit from weak multicultural ethics. Where were the US and UK governments on the issue of free speech? Were they half as angry?

Why are WE the ones on the back foot over our values? Attack is the best form of defense. Bravo Sweden.


At Monday, 01 May, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well on the upside, under sharia law punishments for a Muslim criminal would be execution, crucifixion or lopping off hands and feet.

Brixton prison is comprised of some 25% Muslim inmates. All coming out our taxes. Including bog re-alignments to avoid shitting in the direction of Mecca.

We could empty Brixton prison by 25% in no time at all, under sharia law for Muslims.

At Monday, 01 May, 2006, Blogger Rastaman said...

Jonz, hilarious!!! Excellent point!

My first response on reading this article was Omigod, real, genuine Euro non-wimpage. Looks like the Swedes and the Danes, those bastions of non-violence, are the bravest governments of the lot, eh?

Nice to see that a few Euro countries have their value systems strongly in place, anyway.

At Monday, 01 May, 2006, Anonymous alison said...

J0nz - LOL. Did you read over at Pub Philosopher about old Abu?

Yep Rasta - long may that continue. Though Sweden did wimp out on military exercises with Israel. And im with Jose Aznar of Spain on that one - Israel is part of the West.

At Monday, 01 May, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeh I did. Can't say I'm much surprised. I watched a video yesterday about radical Islam, and there was this piece where Abu was asserting that "A Kuffar in a Muslim land it's like a cow. You can take it the market, sell it, or kill. It's fine"

At Monday, 01 May, 2006, Blogger the adventuress said...

We could empty Brixton prison by 25% in no time at all, under sharia law for Muslims.

Sorry jonz, but that would be a no-go. Under Islamic law it's not a crime to victimize a non-Muslim, unless the non-Muslim has signed a jizya treaty of submission with an Islamic entity.

That's why old Abu said what he did. Kuffar are fair game under Islamic law unless we declare our submission to their subjugation.

At Tuesday, 02 May, 2006, Blogger krip said...

If it was left to the fundamentalists, we would all be facing mecca now. Good of Sweden to stand up to these twats and isn't it refreshing to see that TRUE muslims do not advocate these ludicrous demands.

At Tuesday, 02 May, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile Muslims in this country complain they are being taught hate & bigotry, and the authorities ignore them...

At Tuesday, 02 May, 2006, Anonymous alison said...

All too messy i would think. The papers have chosen not to emblazon their front covers with RACIST!!! in reference to the ghastly firebombing attack on Asians in south London. Hate bigotry and racism are a uniquely white on colour problem? To say otherwise would denote a failure of 'something or other'.

At Tuesday, 02 May, 2006, Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...

Very true that its good of the swedes to stand up in this manner, but then the thought occurs that their Muslims are saying the right things at the moment because Sweden is taking an outrageously anti-Israel line.

I watched the C4 documentary presented by the 'moderate' last night. I was with him right up till the part where he explained that Muslims are quite prepared to be moderate - as long as the West doesnt do anything to annoy them over Iraq, Iran or by doing unreasonable things like supporting Israel's right to exist over the Pail's right to bomb them out of existence. Kind of sums it up really. We'll be good as long as you dont piss us off.

At Tuesday, 02 May, 2006, Blogger Hellpig said...

Nuke mecca ....problem solved no potty re-arranging,no worshipping of a monolithic black rock......

At Wednesday, 03 May, 2006, Blogger Mike's America said...

I'd like to be more enthusiastic with this news. But I'm afraid that the views represented by this evident minority of Muslims in Sweden may win in the end.

If this minority Muslim group agitates in the same way as those in Denmark, it won't matter what a majority of Muslims, or Swedes in general have to say. This tendency towards Balkanization and multiculturalism is very difficult to overcome.

The problem is coming at us in bits and pieces, not all of which carries the same instant warning as the Danish brou ha ha.

Not sure if you have ever read the Muslim 20 year plan to dominate the US:

It sounds kind of loony when you first read it. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized how far we are down that road of no return.

At Wednesday, 03 May, 2006, Blogger Wolfie said...

A twenty year plan?

Doesn't that sound a bit like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

At Wednesday, 03 May, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The usual comment mob load up on 'Europes fucked' euroweenie cliches and rub their hands in glee."

I never understood Americans who take pleasure in Western Europe's problems and vice versa. It's analogous to taking pleasure in your own brother or sister's pain.

I firmly believe that Western nations need to stick together, and in the future as the West's relative power shrinks, this will become more important than ever before.

It's essential for America to have a strong, powerful and very Western cousin across the Atlantic, and it is a matter of Europe's very survival to have a stong, powerful America by its side.

All those that try to drive a wedge between the two halves of Western Civilization, whether they be leftist Brussels Eurocrats or right wing American Isolationists are foolish morons in my book.

At Thursday, 04 May, 2006, Blogger associatecontributor1 said...

What the hell is it with Muslims and women. Women make everything better, except maybe hearing. Seeing is definitely made better by women but hearing not as much. <&:)

(for those who don't know that is a: clown hat <, curly hair &, and smiley face :)

At Thursday, 04 May, 2006, Blogger MonicaR said...

I don't feel gleeful about Europes demise. I think it's a damn shame but it does show what can be wrought by instituting faulty policies. Those very policies that the leftys here in America are trying to push on us.

I don't like Europes demise at all - it just means more of our men and women dying in this global conflict. The ineffectual European governments' refusal to deal with this issue head on and honestly and brutally if necessary just means more of a burden to me and mine. A heavy, nasty, ugly burden.

At Sunday, 07 May, 2006, Blogger Alison said...

Im sorry Monica i missed this. I understand what you are saying.

I dont think Europe is on the decline. And Im going to get castigated for saying this but thats why im overall pro the EU. The EU has enormous economic power. Europe will be stronger with a committed UK, and the world will be a better place with a stronger EU. And moreover we should be RUNNING the EU. And quit whining. We made our choice in 1973.

At Sunday, 07 May, 2006, Blogger Alison said...

AC1 - i agree, in the West we have a lot to do. With parts of Latin America flexing its commie muscle again and all those Mexicans out on May 1 demonstrating in the US that same commie attitude the next ten years could see another shift and the US will have the same issues Europe does, if they dont already eg What if the US finds itself up against nutters with wmd in its own backyard?

Theyre scared of women. Thats what i think anyhoo. Are you by any chance accusing us of whining?! (That clown looks funny the other way up too btw!)


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